Wednesday, December 5, 2007

More about Suicide


J G-W said...

This is OUTSTANDING theology.

Everyone should watch this.

The Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

The covenants we make with God -- in the temple or elsewhere -- are smaller covenants within a much larger, holier covenant with Life and Love. When our efforts to live covenants start leading us down a path of self-hatred and death, we need to rethink where we're going and what is happening to us.

Mohohawaii, thanks for posting this, and thanks, Clark, for filming this.

playasinmar said...

The link is broken. Can you find the video again?

MoHoHawaii said...

The link works for me. You can also find the video at

Holly said...

I found this really worthwhile and interesting, particularly because it expresses what is, to me, one of the biggest problems with Mormonism: its chauvinism, not as in "male," but as in "moral," in the whole "I can see that you're a good person and I know you believe you're happy, but you're not Mormon, so you can't be truly happy, not in the way that I am, not in the way that you would be if you were Mormon."

And it's bullshit. As I have posted on my blog, Utah is the most depressed state in the country.

Plus, it's not like the people who make these claims usually KNOW what it's like not to be a believing Mormon. I don't know a single person who found a testimony of the nontruthfulness of the LDS church who doesn't A) marvel at how much happier s/he is with that new testimony and B) feel the profoundest gratitude that they've finally found the light.

Furthermore, the whole moral condescension thing means that there's often a false note to any acts of charity or generosity Mormons do for people who aren't among the faithful. I'm not saying there's not one single utterly devout Mormon capable of utterly selfless compassion or that Mormons don't do genuine good in the world. But so often those good works have the definite stamp of being a "service project" or a missionary tool, a practice or a device to get a calculated result, like earning blessings for the good-deed-doer or arousing an interest in the church on the part of the good-deed-recipient, rather than an act of kindness done simply because someone needs it.

I don't think you have to be an atheist or believe in god or go to church or stay away from church or whatever to be a wise, ethical, enlightened, loving person, and certainly there are latter-day saints I admire as exemplary human beings. But I think that in general, the belief that any one church is the ONLY valid path to heaven does real spiritual damage to anyone who believes it, whether they're Mormon or Muslim or Catholic or whatever. I think it retards spiritual growth to think that no one else can find a true path to enlightenment unless they worship just like you. After all, look at this young man. Look at how much wiser and more spiritually mature after he realized how wrong his previous belief was.